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Just wondering if anyone out there practised this form and how effective is it?
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Re: Krav Maga
Mon, September 3, 2007 - 9:08 PMHey ,...you should catch up on the 'Human- Weapon' docu series on the History Channel.reason being that the last episode was on Krav Maga! It was a very good episode I thought. People put up portions on Youtube. There's a school here in the Bay in Berkely at Ashby and Sacremento. -
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Re: Krav Maga
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 4:46 AMOkay. I have found a school that I have found some information about and might attend it soon. I did hear about a documentary shown about Krav Maga and have seen clips on You-Tube. It is a very interesting discipline Do you practice it? -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 3:23 AMI trained in Krav for awhile at the S.F school, it seems to really vary instructor by instructor more than any other MA I have studied. I had a couple of LEO's as instructors who were excellent and some others who werent. Also the american schools seemed, at the time I was there at least, to keep expanding the curriculum, adding things like spinning back kicks, highly impractical and padding the lessons for no other reason than to keep students and issuing ranks. The true Krav system is brutally simple in its practice. -
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Wed, September 5, 2007 - 8:23 PMI like the topic you brought up on the simplicity of the system. Though I would not trust Krav to save my life it does bring the point up that everyone thinks its difficult to learn how to hurt someone, that you have to go through years and years of practice and get varying belts before you can handle yourself.
But I guess they need these things to stay in business huh
Kas22
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Thu, September 6, 2007 - 4:22 PM...as to wether I study?...no but I have looked into it and from what I saw in the TV demo they're have many tech's. in common with my teacher's system.I had been attacked recently and did well and it looked like something from one of the segments of that Krav Maga episode.Many rivers lead to one ocean.....I have a companion whom learned it in the Isreali Army.They don't teach the kissing she does though.
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Re: Krav Maga
Sun, December 2, 2007 - 12:33 PMHi, I'm 18 and I have been taking Mui Thai, BJJ, and Krav for a while now...
In my experience, Krav is on a different fighting mentality than either of the other forms i've been studying.
Krav is brutal and is designed to capture and or kill. Krav is the basic form taught to all Isreali commandos.
There is a more advanced form of Krav Maga known as Haggana which is taught exclusivly to specail task force
units meant for infiltration an reconasance. That is scary stuff. I get to train in haggana in 3 years...im so pumpped.
Its not as creative or beautiful as other forms, but in my modest opinion, Krava Maga and Haggana are the new age
of martial arts and i dont think anyone's MMA style is complete with out it.
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Re: Krav Maga
Sun, December 2, 2007 - 1:28 PMKrav Maga is military combatives. Whether it's good or bad military combatives depends on the instructor. And whether it meets your needs is a matter of what you want and how well you mesh with the teacher and material. It's meant to give you limited, useful skills in a short time with a premium placed on physical conditioning, simple technique and aggressive fighting spirit. In other words, it's extremely appropriate for soldiers.
Once the marketers got a hold of it in North America it went in some strange directions. There was a lot of extra seminars and special classes for - you guessed it - extra money and special fees. I was talking to a teacher who said that there was a special affect the organization wanted people to have. If you didn't have "the look" and project the right image you weren't going to make instructor.
I took KM for a while several years ago. I've had a lot of martial arts experience from some superb teachers, so at the level I was seeing close up it was nothing new or exceptional. It was solid basics that could be very functional. There were some very basic things I didn't like. Their way of tying up in the clinch is weak. They taught grabbing the shoulder and arm on the same side of the body. That's childishly simple to counter. The Thai version is just as easy and gives better control. But that may have been the particular teacher. -
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Tue, December 4, 2007 - 6:30 AMI certainly agree with the simplicity of Krav as you've said. Krav Maga (the basic training) is meant to work off of the body's natural instincts. The idea is to hone those instincts into a useful technique. I am a little disappointed with your lack of enthusiasim for this art but to each his own. May i ask, have you taken any Haggana? Krav maga is a fundamental one must have before Haggana training and is you think Haggana is juvinal or childish as a martial art, I would recommend you never spar with a haggana expert. Besides. I dont think I know any other martail art that teaches both knife fighting and defense, as well as firearm defense with the intesity and persision that Krav and Haggana require. Im not saying either of us is right or wrong, all Im saying is my instrustor has showed me some haggana moves that I never want to see executed on any living person. Its brutal, deadly, and freaking awesome in my opinion. And it works against any level of fighter. Even a highly trained Mui Thai fighter. (which i also train in) -
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Tue, December 4, 2007 - 7:09 AMWhen ever I'm forming my opinion of a self defence system I first look at the way they handle weapons, particularly knives and then work back from there, and what I've found is that there are just way... too many holes in thier principles. But first let me say that I appreciate the way they try to super simplifly violence for the average joe giving them a couple of targets on the human body that are readily injured and some different ways of getting it done.
But my biggest problem is still with the way Krav amoung others handle weapons, Any system that still teaches you to go after the tool in the guy's hand instead of trying to shut the man off is in my opinion living in the stone age. There is one principle in Krav that I could really appreciate and it was "Blasting"(hope I got it right) which basically looked like in it's simplist form throwing yourself into and through the man while picking a target, and I believed it is used for when you are caught by surprised(please correct me if I'm wrong), and I was happy to see that when the guy demonstrated it he showed no focus on what the man was trying to do but rather his focus was on what he wanted to do to the man, and I sat and wondered and said "gee' why don't they do that for all thier techniques? why is the focus always on what the other guy is doing rather than what you want to do to the man?
To me it's like if it's already universally agreed that in a situation involving a knife whether you are the one holding the knife or being attacked you will probably get cut, then why not risk getting that one cut on your way to lets say hitting him on the side of the neck or throat as opposed to wrestling over an object that can only hurt you if the man has an active brain? and the same effort i used to grab his hand could have been used to shut him off instead. It's like if I punch a guy in the throat and then put a knife in his hand, can he then hurt me because he has the knife in his hands? but to each his own -
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Tue, December 4, 2007 - 7:29 AMcorrection it's called "Bursting" not "Blasting" -
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 10:32 AMIm not sure if you have already gone over this but...do you study krav? im not sure where you've seen it done or by who but Krav is all about first strikes and ending the fight on YOUR call. Perhaps in the early stages i can see how it could be misconstrued as strictly self defense but the moment you start taking more than a couple of classes you will start to see that Krav is a fierce advancing and dominating combat system. Yes there is special attention paid to a man with a weapon. But it is not to deal with the weapon but to deal with the man holding it. Against knife or gun defense the goal is to get around the weapon and put the guy holding it onto the floor or better kill him where he stands. Obviously i am a little bias due to the fact that i study it and i am in no way trying to prove Krav's superiority over any other form, all i mean to say is that it does exactly what it was designed to do effectively. As beautiful and amazing as other forms of combat may be, as far as what I study, I would rather use a brutal "stone age" style that works than a beautiful and difficult form that if used in real life would get me killed. -
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Thu, May 14, 2009 - 12:38 PMI have heard mixed reviews about Krav Maga.
On the plus side, it is simple, direct and easy to learn. It is designed with combat in mind, and while you can always add dirty fighting to a ring art I really do think that training this way makes a difference in how you will respond reflexively. It deals with the mentality of high stress combat and is designed to kill. Also, I hear its a good form for soldiers and police who wear heavy armor because the movements are simplified.
On the negative side, I hear that the forms are more suited for people with bulky vests and equipment and perhaps a little less effective in street cloths compared to some of the other traditional combat arts or ring arts. Its still effective, but the defensive stance and striking techniques of Muay Thai for example is thought by many to be better (This is just what I heard). It seems like a brute force, overwhelm your opponent with a barrage of heavy attacks then go for the takedown and pummel them type art....effective I guess, but I dont know if that is the best approach to dealing with a highly skilled fighter, especially someone who can evade and is better at leverage based attacs. Also, I wonder how effective that approach would be if you are not the bigger/stronger and faster guy, if simply being aggressive and direct will keep you from getting your head stomped in. It could be....
But I seems like a very simple and intuitive art that can make you a better fighter in a short period of time and can be used while wearing bulky military or police equipment. It seems like it does that pretty well.
And maybe I am talking out of my ass. I watched some videos and read some discussions and thats it.
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