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both systema and hikuta seems like very deadly arts. any practitioners out there. they both seem to have very weird ways on hitting but it also seems very effective. can anyone give me some insight on these styles that is more that what a web site said. thank you
haniff
haniff
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Mon, November 13, 2006 - 5:44 PMTechnically, this IS a website. -
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Tue, November 14, 2006 - 5:14 PMhey dude, i know this is a website. i meant instead of reading what someone wrote. i wanted to discuss it with people who have studied it and what they read on a website. thanks for the reply anyway.
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 2:21 AMMy opinions on Vasiliev/Ryabko Systema (I haven't trained Kadochnikov, and you can't really learn ROSS in this country anymore):
Systema is a lot of fun. It's not my primary training (I prefer RMAX Flowfighting), but I do enjoy it immensely when I go.
Systema groups and instructors are very inconsistent. Depending on who you train with, you will find different degrees of instructor quality and group culture. Some groups are very co-operative, doing mostly or all soft-work; recently, others have introduced live resistance, putting on gloves and gear on a regular basis. Groups in Russia often go pretty hard regardless of a lack of safety gear; groups in the United States generally don't train the way the Russians do, which is probably a good thing.
Individual meetings can also vary widely, in terms of material covered. If you have a good idea of what you want to learn, it might be a good idea to talk to people on the Systema boards on www.russianmartialart.com and see what they say about who tends to teach what.
Systema is a lot like some traditional martial arts, in that it is concerned with efficiency over effectiveness. This is largely a reflection of the people at its head, who were effective fighters before they started doing Systema. Typically, when someone plateaus in effectiveness and then discovers efficiency, their performance becomes so magical that they decide that the way they're training now is clearly the true way and they forget that one of the major reasons they can make the magic happen is because they know how to fight. Aikido is an excellent example of this phenomenon; O Sensei was a fucking badass before he created Aikido.
Because of this inbalance of hard/soft work, not all Systema people are effective fighters, but there are a number of effective fighters who turn to Systema. It also means that whether you can become an effective fighter through Systema is kind of a crapshoot.
There are unique movement, weapons, and crowd survival drills in Systema that you will very likely not find elsewhere (RMAX has many similar drills, but not all).
Lastly, I know doodly-squat about Hikuta.
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Thu, November 16, 2006 - 4:59 PMReally well put Jon. I just train with a Bagua guy from China who exhibitted great fighting prowess but it was quite evident from his training and talk that he was a bit of bad ass before turining to the strictly 'internal' MA. To make a unfair generalisation: Tai Chi, bagua and aikido seem to rarely produce effective fighters unless they have some other fighting history. This is evidently a problem form Bagua teachers in China as across the years they have found that their students are not has hard as they used to be - no Gung Fu. So they have created new drills and methods of making them a bit tougher. This has happened with Tai Chi to the extent that it is now a rarely anything other than a health practice. But, again, I no some guys who are pretty hard who will tell you that they do Tai Chi, forgetting that they were tough before they started.
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Tue, November 14, 2006 - 2:11 PMmy experience with systema (only one seminar) was dissapointing. Of course, I'm biased to what I know and like and I'm really not into "RBSD" systems like Krav, Kapap, FIGHT etc - I think it's an excuse to wear camo and hit heavy bags, which if I wanted to do I'd go to Iraq.
Anyway, the systema demos I witnessed reminded me of a Steven Seagal Aikido demo - very giving Ukes coming from all directions and being taken down in a fluid manner, one by one or a few at once, by the "master". As far as basic applications go, there's nothing impressive that you couldn't get from any other RBSD or by knowing a little Judo, Karate, Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, Wrestling what have you.
I don't even know what Hikuta is.
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Tue, November 14, 2006 - 5:12 PMthanks for the insite Dave. i was just wondering about systema. it does seem very fluid. i was just wondering how effective it is in real life fighting, no rules. search for hikuta, you should find something on it. i just asked about both because of the similarities in their approach to hitting some one. they seem close in some aspects and very very far in others. i really want to know how these systems would stand up in a really street fight. thanks for the reply.
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Tue, November 14, 2006 - 8:18 PMI am not a fan of bagging martial arts but the stuff I just looked at on the web for Systema was far from impressive. I saw a couple of interesting drills but it all looked a bit too contrived. The Krav Maga I have done was interesting - simple and effective - and kept in mind the chaos and messiness of combat. I have been around long enough to no that there are no easy and simple solutions to street combat and the more hard core and frantic the training the likely it is that you will be at least partially prepared for the craziness that is street fighting. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:46 AMhey, krav maga does look very interesting. i watched a few training videos of it. honestly, some i found crappy, but others i found very realistic and deadly. i was thinking about getting moni aisik's krav maga videos. i am always up for learning new things in the martial arts. who do you think has the best videos out there.
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Tue, November 14, 2006 - 9:07 PMAnyway, the systema demos I witnessed reminded me of a Steven Seagal Aikido demo - very giving Ukes coming from all directions and being taken down in a fluid manner, one by one or a few at once, by the "master
Although i am no longer an aikido student; I wanted to say that it is quite a destructive art if done martially.
I saw one guy not "give" as is seen commonly and he was thrown anyway, however it resulted in his now broken collar bone puncturing through his flesh an inch or so. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:56 AMi have heard people saying it looks a little like aikido. i would have to take your word for it because i have never studies aikido. from what you wrote aikido seems like a deadly art. by the way, have you seen the show "deadly arts" on fit tv. it's with a lady who has martial arts roots in aikido and karate, she goes around to different countries and study different martial arts for a few weeks and talk with the masters. she has done it for aikido, karate, muay thai, savate, capoeria, kalaripayattu, and others. got a question for you, in the aikido world is steven seagal supposed to be good. what do you think of his skills as a fighter. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 2:28 AMNo one really knows what Segal's fighting skills are like, because he doesn't fight. But from the seminar videos I've seen, his Aikido is really quite good.
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Thu, November 16, 2006 - 4:51 PMI thought the same thing about the systema I've seen. Aikido gets a lot of crap from other systems about its claims to power but not really producing fighters. Unfortunatley this is often the case in my experience. However, I met this Russia ex-military (no more details than that) guy at a gym I used to work in. He heard I was into MA and came up and showed me his military style 'Aikido' and I was really impressed. It was direct and to the point - the point being that you need to incapacitate your opponent as soon as possible. He did joint and muscle grabs similar to some Chin Na that was very effectecive as he mimed stabbing and/or striking with his other hand. -
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Thu, November 16, 2006 - 11:57 PMCheck out Tomiki Aikido:
www.tomiki.org/
www.youtube.com/results
It's a style of Aikido that added a live sport element, like Judo originally was to Jujitsu. The sport doesn't look a lot like Aikido does in the practice hall, but it is very interesting and very alive.
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 8:05 AMI apologize if i came off like I was putting down Aikido. I've never studied the art, but I have an immense respect for it, and honestly think Seagal has done nothing but cheapen it in the same way crappy strip mall dojangs have cheapened TKD, or my own 'style', Wing Chun.
I did study Krav Maga for about a year at an MMA school, where I was also learning BJJ. It is a good system, but as I mentioned before it's pretty much 100% RBSD (reality based self defense) - or at least that's how it's marketed. Krav, although effective as an amalgamate of many different striking and grappling arts, is HUGE business. Liscensing fees to teach it are staggering. There are two distinct schools of it - the Israeli style, which emphasizes fighting for your life under extreme physical stress and in very bad situations (guns, knives etc) - and the LA style, which employs the money making theory of "give them something to hit and they'll keep coming back for more".
What I learned was somewhere in between and in all honesty, I lost interest quickly. It isn't bad, and I highly recommend it for gaining basic SD skills and getting in killer shape, but it relies on GROSS motor skills, whereas most martial arts rely on FINE motor skills. It's good training, there just isn't as much to really sink your teeth into and make your own.
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 11:48 AMlet me just share a little of what i read about HIKUTA for one of their websites. gotta warn you, don't laugh. well, a man by the name of DOK LEE is known as the founder of this style. he told his students he learned it form secret military forces. he also says it originated in egypt in the days of the pharoahs from a system called KUTA. they have this weird type of hitting with the fist called the KUTA FIST. you guys should check it out. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 11:54 AM"he told his students he learned it form secret military forces"
Sorry, but that right there is exactly the kind of thing that sends me running out the door. If you google around, you'll find literally hundreds of this same kind of marketing technique. And seriously, just because a fighting style is "top secret", how does that make it better than anything else? If you know how to hit the right targets, which you can learn with total transparency, I can't possibly imagine what more they have to offer - unless it's BS 'mind control' stuff, LOLZ! -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:23 PMi know, but what interested me was the kuta fist. i know the story sounds crappy as hell. i just wanted to find someone who studied it before or has and videos of the style. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:27 PMthe reason why i put SYSTEMA AND HIKUTA together, was they both had a very similar approach to hitting. i might be wrong, since i have never studied either. i can't help it anytime i hear about a new martial art i try and get info on it. and maybe it is bs. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:29 PMhey Dave, what do you think about silat mubai. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 12:32 PMNot sure what that is - is it related to the Silat of SE asia? I've done a wee bit of Krabi Krabong (similar to the sword forms of Pentjak Silat) and some Kali silat. I really like SE Asian, especially Phillipino MA's. Nothing like an art that teaches you how to not get a knife stuck in the pressure point under an enemy's armpit, hehe. -
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Wed, November 15, 2006 - 1:58 PMSilat Mubai is a mixture of silat, turkish wrestling, kali and other stuff. i always wanted to train in krabi krabong. the sword form do remind me of silat. i am practicing a little muay thai now. i also just bought some videos on silat mubai. were i live, there is hardly any good martial art schools. just watered down karate and taekwondo. if you know any good schools in daytona, orlando area, let me know. and yeah knowning how to avoid getting cut in the armpit or vital points is the best training. in a knife fight you may get cut, but learing how to avoid getting cut in these places i would recomend to anyone into knife fighting. if i am ever in a knife fight, those are the first places i a looking for.
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 1:49 PMhi- i have been lucky enough to train in both systema and kuta (sometimes called hikuta). my teacher in systema is george Pogacich and he trained with Vasiliev. i am quite impressed with systema, and i tend to agree that one would be better off training in something else and being able to fight first, although George does not agree(but he was a very accomplshed martial artist first). Now on to kuta: there seems to be lot of negativity surrounding kuta, and that is understandable. I trained with "Dok Lee" (not his real name ) in 1969 and 70. He had a lot of stories that were hard to believe, but let me tell you that he has something. and it was fast and it was powerful. it was the fastest, most direct, to-the-point self-defense i have ever seen. To my knowledge, i am the oldest living practitioner of kuta. I have a $5000 reward for anyone who can prove he trained with Lee before 1969, other than Calvin Kalasoukis, if he is still alive and out in the real world. or any one who can prove the existance of 'kuta' before 1969. Wherever it came form or whatever its real name is, if it has a name- it works 100% off reflex. anyone who makes fun of the kuta hand or kuta does NOT know what they are talking about. I have taught this art to a handful of very high-end martial artists, including two 9th dan karate pioneers. I did this to get help in analyzing and critiquing kuta. i have had only one negative piece of feedback and it was very minor indeed. It is very curious that you ask about systema and kuta in the same breath. They have similar concepts in that they both work on instinctive reaction- the techniques are different, but some overlap.kuta is much, much more simple in that there are only two essential moves and a very few variations. kuta concepts can be applied to other arts with good results. Lee did not like to train people long, esp if they started to get good at it or if he did not approve of their ethnicity. One exception is Al Abidin of California, who studied extensively with Lee and is the most well-trained kuta man we know of. In the 80's, i think, Lee was talked into making a book and tape of hilariously poor quality. He is not a good presenter and left critial components out of the material. He added in some backyard self-defense and marketed it out as 'hikuta'. This is a joke, at best. The art was called 'kuta' as he taught it to me, but there is doubt in my mind and others as to whether this name is a fabrication as well. He claimed it has troots in Egypt, but kuta is not an Arabic word. For lack of any other information, which i am willing to pay dearly for, we (I) will call it kuta, claim it has roots in Egypt, and also claim that it is the fastest, most direct to-the-point system in the world. Dr. L. William Pogue- oldest known kuta practitioner -
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 9:44 PMbill, i would like to check out hikuta and train in it a little. i didn't put this discussion to put down systema or hikuta. i just want to learn somemore about them. what would you recomend me to get started in hikuta -
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 12:26 PMHand if you want a start in Kuta/Hikuta then try out walk-without-fear.com he is a student of Al's and is currently teaching in NY i think. Good intro to Kuta and informative
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 3:15 PMyou can start looking into kuta by watching al abidin's tapes - then come and see me or al. geo pogacich is on this u tube clip. showing off fancy technique- he is usually more direct, but the good stuff isn't easy to see at a distance. you need to feel it. he is also slowing it down quite a bit
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Tue, June 5, 2007 - 4:27 PMI have attended a Systema seminar once with a friend. It almost seems like a religion, as in "It is real if you believe it to be." When the instructor did his little chi-strike on me, I didn't feel a thing. He then told me it was because my soul is not accepting his chi strike. And when I do it, it also didn't work because "I didn't believe it would work". So I guess for Systema wo win in a match, you better hope the opponent is also believer. -
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 11:10 PMRecently startee Systema about 3mo ago.
I started studying TKD about 40 years ago for about four years and dropped out for 25 years. Went back to TKD for seven years and was on my way to ni-dan when knees started to hurt bigtime.
Swiched to Budo TaiJutsu in 2001. Recently promoted to nji-dan. Found BTJ to be more effective for self defense and real world situations than TKD. I started Systema about three months ago because it seems to dovetail with BTJ.
I don't know who did the chi-strike on you, but he ones I have received can drop my 190lbs without leaving bruises.
I find that both BTJ and Systema can both be used to get out of the way of an attack and deflect the energy against the other person. Both can also have a hard style, but at my age I like the softer techniques.
I would not have appreciated either art when I was younger, faster and stronger.
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Fri, June 29, 2007 - 10:21 PMwww.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch
they say a vid is worth a million words, I've seen a lot of systema clips and I've never thought that it would be effective on the street but these vids take the cake.
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 1:10 PMMy exposure to Systema echos Li's experience. I was lucky enough to miss a seminar, but I have watched a video by Vladimir Vasiliev. After about 20 minutes, the techniques exposed themselves as comedy.
Vladimir was teaching the students how to pull the impact of punches off their bodies (thus removing the pain) and push the force back into their opponent. One student was unable to pull the punches out of his chest.
It was clear many students viewed Vladimir as some sort of god and were just letting him run demo's on their bodies. They were simply going with the movements and acting amazed every time he hit them or threw them to the ground. Against a resisting opponent, little in that tape would have been effective.
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 1:13 PMReminded me of the Kiai master: youtube.com/watch
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:26 PMYes as a matter of fact Hikuta is a very deadly art I can tell you as a practioner and instructor of Kuta I know all to well its applications and power. when used by a skilled kuta practitioner Hikuta is virtually undefeatable. a truly dangerous art for the sole reason that it was created. To learn more of this amazing system go to walk-without-fear.com -
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Sun, March 30, 2008 - 8:25 PMI hate the fact that you cant edit your texts on this thing, but I was about to ask you james, what is the physics behind the foot stomp and chest slap in hikuta, or is it a gaurded secret? -
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Mon, March 31, 2008 - 5:31 PMKas I thank you for your question and would like to address it but this is not the forum for that discussion. I reserve that inside information for current students. Without disclosing insider knowledge let me just say that the reasons for the "foot stomp" and the position of the non striking hand to the chest are unique to Hikuta and are multi purpose. The moves serve several purposes for using them in the way we do. I can tell you that the movements of Hikuta are based on natural body movement and position. Once understood you would know how the the"Foot stomp" and "hand to chest" are beneficial in helping to generate speed, power and penetration. -
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Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:13 PMFair enough.
Well I must say I dont know much about Kikuta apart from what I saw on youtube and the website, But my first impressions of it was that it shares a little with the system in which I follow and I say that lightly, and while I dont understand the reasons for the foot stomp and chest slap, the fact that your into preemtive striking and no blocking lets me at least know that your thinking is far beyond most of the obsolete stuff that they still teach out there, but I just hope that the system does not share anything with Systema. Never one to put down another system downright but I could never take someone seriously if they tell me that they did or do systema -
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 2:30 AM"Never one to put down another system downright"
And then you proceed to do just that without so much as a comma. Why do people insist on prefacing their opinions with disingenuousness? It's ugly. -
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Fri, April 4, 2008 - 4:00 AMlol I like the comma part, I hear what you mean. It's just I can look at other systems and even if I personally dont agree with most or all of thier principles in dealing with violence I can always look a bit deeper and see some form of effeciency in them, but it's just that systema lies in the relm of fantasy and I honestly believe that Valdimir knows this but still feeds it to unsuspecting victims, I mean come on using your basball cap to strip the gun away from the man, using your man purse to tie up the knife man's attack and then in the same motion put him in a submission hold, rolling on the floor from 8 meters away and then doing a scissor kick to the mans hand to kick the gun away
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 2:35 AMi can not speak of Systema becuse i have never been exposed to it other than what I have seen. As you mentioned with Hikuta. When watching it on Youtube or some other video program be carefull to judge what you see as many people are just out there doing what they think is Kuta without having had real training by a qualified Hikuta instructor which at this moment are VERY few. Many people try to emulate or duplicate the Kuta hand but form it improperly or utilize it incorrectly as is with the kicks of Kuta. So what you see on the internet may be someones interpretation of Kuta instead. And as for thinking ahead yes Hikuta does encourage the think ahead process as we do not strive to make cookie cutter duplicates of ourself but instead to creat freethinking creative students who will see how they can apply/integrate kuta to all other styles or systems should they choose to. And preemptive striking is just one of the many things that Kuta does that sets it apart from traditional martial arts as does the idea of not blocking.
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Tue, April 1, 2008 - 2:51 AMHmmm sounds like Dim Mak. eg: Stomping on the big toe (acupuncture Liver 1 point) and then hitting another point either simultaneously or successively like the center of chest for instance to cause enhanced results. I have seen a few systema vids and it really looks like Dim Mak and chin na to me. -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 8:55 AMJason how are you today? thanks for the input. Let me clarify though as it maybe confusing to some that in Hikuta we dont necessarily stomp on any body part as mentioned in your message. I have not studied DimMak so I can not speak on it though. I do know however that Hikuta resembles little if any other traditional martial art that I have trained in or witnessed. The stomp in Kuta is used for several purposes, however it is not as a pressure point hit as described. Although it may be done that way in other styles for that purpose in Hikuta the foot stomp is just one of several moves that are all coordinated together to increase the effectiveness of or strikes. Bear in mind that foot stomp is only one piece off the equation many things come into play at the same time as the foot stomp. -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 5:43 PMhey James I have 2 questions for you about the Hikuta system which I think or hope rather that you are allowed to respond to.
1. what principles do you use when dealing with weapons?
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 6:42 PMKas thanks again for the question. I am afraid though that I am not quite sure what you mean when youask "What principles" we use when dealing with weapons. Kuta has many proverbs or principles if you will that we use to govern our method of striking. Those principles would be primarily the same for weapons engagement as they would for empty hand combat. Keep in mind that when faced with a weapon either edged or gun you will need to deal with it slightly different thatn normal hand technique. Example is in maintaining controll of the weapon hand in such a manner as to point or direct the weapon away from your body. Unlike when in a traditional martial art you would simple block/parry the strike then strike yourself. Which would sometime leave the weapon hand free to use the weapon again. This in not always as some sysems teach trapping techniques when blocking. In kuta although we dont advocate or teach blocking if in close quarters combat and you are grabbed or approached and faced with a weapon you must actually take controll of that weapon/or hand to controll it so you know where the weapon is while you deliver the strike. Secondly not sure what video you saw on you tube however what I THINK you are referring to is that someone (who ever it was demonstrating) was referring to that as opposed to some styles of martial arts that teach you to focus and strike a certain body area with what must be almost pinpoint accuracy, in Hikuta we dont limit ourselves by striking to only one area ie some systems say you must strike the solarplexus in such a manner at this angle. Some say you have to stike a certain point onthe center line of the body etc... with hikuta there is no need to adjust yourself to your opponent in order to strike their center line because where ever you are in relation to your ppponent the center line is always there and due to the nature of the Kuta strike anybody part is a target not only the soft spots or those pressure points. Therefore you dont need to waist time trying to develop pinpoint accuracy that under the heat of battle and the barage of things going on will flee and will not be effective anyway. In Hikuta you strike what is available and do the most damage to that body part what ever it may be. -
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Sat, April 12, 2008 - 8:06 PMActually you answered my questions perfectly thank you, As I said before I really like where your thinking is at in dealing with violence, my only concern with the way in which you handle weapons is the part where you said
"In kuta although we dont advocate or teach blocking if in close quarters combat and you are grabbed or approached and faced with a weapon you must actually take controll of that weapon/or hand to controll it so you know where the weapon is while you deliver the strike."
My concern with that type of training where you have different approaches to dealing with empty hand and weapons is that if when the incident first started you maybe did'nt realise he had a weapon but then somewhere in the fight you see he has a knife you may now freeze for a second trying to check off the box for hadling that specific situation.
Now instead of simply focusing on picking a target and shutting off the man, you now have to solve for everyway this guy is now coming at you with the knife, and thats hard work, but still it's not often I find a system I can relate to. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 6:19 AMYes Kas there is always an element of the unknown in any confrontation. You could very well be in a situation that started as an empty hand scenario only to escalate to the situation where you are facing a weapon. In that situation youwould have to adapt to the situation at hand. Im glad you mention freezing up, which is what most of the untrained or traditionally trained would do in that situation. Kuta however greatly relies on yoru automatic response and nervous system which acts automatically to the situation without prior thought. In a nut shell when you are startled by something be it a loud unexpected sound, or someone sneeking up on you and scaring you or a scene in a movie etc... andything that startles you would evoke a respose that is similar to a slight jerk with eyes blinking and perhaps your hands moving and all those actions are involuntary and most of the time you wont even realize that you did them. THis is Kuta in its rawest form. Kuta uses those same move which are (already inherent within us) and redirects them from an offensive withdrawing motioninto a defensive attacking move. This is what makes Kuta so effective in battle when you are caught off guard or surprised witha different situation and you body would normally withdraw and you would experience that Freeze you refer to, however since we retrain you rautomatic responsive system when faced with a surprise you body will react defensively and instinctively without the need for prior thought . one Hikuta principle says " A thought is a strike" in kuta a strike is faster than a thought and before youhave time to get scared and freeze your body has already reacted to elimintate the situation.
On a second note when face with a opponent that has a weapon dont fear because we show you how to use ANYTHING for/as and effective weapon no system out there that I know of haws as many options for improvised weapons as hikuta wnything in your area or on your body can potentially be ause effectively as a weapon so when faced with a knife weilding oopnent just reach out and grab the closest thing near you and use it
Also might i mention that attatude and your will and desire to survive that situation play a Large part in the outcome. You have to have a positive perservering attitude that says "no matter what I am not going down here" and have to think like "Hey if your comming then come on but you better bring more than that cause im bringing Kuta to the table and that's what your gonna have to deal with" LOL not exactly but you get the idea you have to havea positive attitude that says youare not quiting till the threat has been eliminated.
And like i mentioned previously we dont limit Kuta practitioners to dealing with one situation one way and anoth
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Re: has anyone trained in SYSTEMA or HIKUTA
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 5:12 AM!!!Attention!!! All Interested parties
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Re: has anyone trained in SYSTEMA or HIKUTA
Mon, March 31, 2008 - 9:14 AMHikuta is and always has been bullshit. And by "always" I do not mean "back in the days of the Pharoahs".
"Defender of Kings" Lee was a 100% pure home grown American fraud.
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Re: has anyone trained in SYSTEMA or HIKUTA
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 7:59 AMit is possible that Lee invented it, but my impression of him is that he wan't sharp enough to put it all toether . he was very fast, powerful and had an intensity that i have never witnessed before. the components of what he called 'kuta' are present in other systems,but notr all in one. it is definately not bullshit- i m one of only few known people to have used kuta for real self-defense. the footstomp isnothjing new-Jack Dempsey called it a drop step and it is present in the bunkai of nai hanchi kata of okinawa.as is the 'hand to the chest' catapault hand. it is also called a pre-step in various karate circles. there is just too much coincience for this to be made up in Lees's head- although it is very likely been embellished or modified by him. he was a '50's throw back complete with ducktail, pall malls rolled up in his sleave and his belt buckle on the side drving a "58 land yacht. he was also the toughest guy I've ever met and I've fought all over th world in the street and in karate tournaments including Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, He Il Cho, Shigatada Tegima,Norbert Donnelly, Willie AdAMS AND MANY, MANY OTHER TRUE MASTERS OF MARTIAL ARTS. LEE WAS FASTER, HIT HARDER AND WAS FAR MEANER. -
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Re: has anyone trained in SYSTEMA or HIKUTA
Wed, June 25, 2008 - 9:33 PMYOur allusion to Jack Dempsey reminds me of the parallel in his punching style to the punches in Xing Yi. Also the "slapping of the chest" with the stomp, sound very similar to good XIng yi:
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